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Jared Crozier
Ottawa Senators
Location: Gatineau, QC
Joined: 09.26.2014

Feb 19 @ 9:53 AM ET
Jared Crozier: Game Day: Ottawa @ Nashville
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today?
Joined: 06.30.2006

Feb 19 @ 12:28 PM ET
Go Sens Go
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 19 @ 1:34 PM ET
Go Sens Go
- Aetherial

Winning some games just in time to become buyers
forbetterorWORSE
Ottawa Senators
Location: Riverview, NB
Joined: 06.12.2009

Feb 19 @ 1:48 PM ET
Winning some games just in time to become buyers
- Tumbleweed

Dorion on the phones now seeing what it's gonna take to get Hammond back.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 19 @ 2:01 PM ET
Go Sens Go
- Aetherial



Agree 100%.

The new sens are doing things the old leafs way. dont change a thing. kessel the hell out of duchene.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 19 @ 2:05 PM ET
Dorion on the phones now seeing what it's gonna take to get Hammond back.
- forbetterorWORSE

Makesnosens
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 01.18.2017

Feb 19 @ 2:21 PM ET
Dorion on the phones now seeing what it's gonna take to get Hammond back.
- forbetterorWORSE


Ain’t gonna be cheap
forbetterorWORSE
Ottawa Senators
Location: Riverview, NB
Joined: 06.12.2009

Feb 19 @ 2:44 PM ET
Agree 100%.

The new sens are doing things the old leafs way. dont change a thing. kessel the hell out of duchene.

- systemtool

Different situation entirely. Duchene isn't even the best player on this team.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 19 @ 2:59 PM ET
Different situation entirely. Duchene isn't even the best player on this team.
- forbetterorWORSE


semantics. duchene also wasnt as young as kessel either (kessel wasnt going to be a ufa as soon as duchene), nor did the Leafs give up a quality player along with futures, but thats besides the point. there are alot of similarities though in terms of price paid and where the teams ended up after making the deals despite gms thinking they improved the team. reality is both teams need a rebuild and shouldn't have made those deals.
forbetterorWORSE
Ottawa Senators
Location: Riverview, NB
Joined: 06.12.2009

Feb 19 @ 5:08 PM ET
semantics. duchene also wasnt as young as kessel either (kessel wasnt going to be a ufa as soon as duchene), nor did the Leafs give up a quality player along with futures, but thats besides the point. there are alot of similarities though in terms of price paid and where the teams ended up after making the deals despite gms thinking they improved the team. reality is both teams need a rebuild and shouldn't have made those deals.
- systemtool

The leafs also didn't have karlsson, stone , Chabot, or any other quality players while Kessel was there. This team needs a good retooling, not a complete rebuild.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Feb 19 @ 5:36 PM ET
The leafs also didn't have karlsson, stone , Chabot, or any other quality players while Kessel was there. This team needs a good retooling, not a complete rebuild.
- forbetterorWORSE


the old leafs way. i like it.

they didn't have a karlsson but they had jvr rielly kadri who are as good as stone and chabot. trades have some very similiar aspects not sure why its hard to see.

forbetterorWORSE
Ottawa Senators
Location: Riverview, NB
Joined: 06.12.2009

Feb 19 @ 6:11 PM ET
the old leafs way. i like it.

they didn't have a karlsson but they had jvr rielly kadri who are as good as stone and chabot. trades have some very similiar aspects not sure why its hard to see.

- systemtool

I forgot to mention Hoff as well. I see the similarities in the trade as it was picks and young players for both guys. Although I dont think we end up giving Colorado 2 players the quality of Seguin and Hamilton. We needed an upgrade at centre and we got that. If we're this bad next year than I will totally agree with you, but I don't think we will be.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Feb 19 @ 8:01 PM ET
I'm going to throw something out there - wonder what Sens could do if Karlsson could be moved but also brought back next summer. Obviously you would need to make Tampa a pretty much cup favorite by a mile to get a solid package back as well. Here's what I'm thinking in mind:

To Tampa
Erik Karlsson
Zack Smith
Johnny Oduya
Goalie for Syracuse

To Ottawa
Ryan Callahan
Braydon Coburn
Nicklas Hjalmarsson
Mikhail Sergachev
Connor Ingram
2019 1st [top 15 protected] OR Cal Foote

To Arizona
Bobby Ryan [6.25m]
2018 1st
++

2018 - 2019 Season

Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Zadina/Tkachuk - Brown - White
-----------------------------------------
Sergachev - Hjalmarsson
Chabot - Ceci

July 2019
Sign Erik Karlsson has UFA - 8 years $ 100m

2019 - 2020 Season
Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Tkachuk - Brown - White
Chaplik - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Shore - xxx

Sergachev - Karlsson
Chabot - Hjalmarsson
Borowiecki - Harpur


Not to mention you have Brassard you could move in a trade.
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Feb 19 @ 8:03 PM ET
^^ I'm also in favor of moving Ceci. He would be solid in Tampa (or Arizona) - for some reason he doesn't play to his ability all the time in Ottawa, maybe the pressure of playing in his hometown and the criticism.

That said no way I give him up without the maximum return.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 19 @ 8:38 PM ET
wingz4life
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Canada Sucks, MI
Joined: 01.31.2006

Feb 19 @ 9:39 PM ET
I'm going to throw something out there - wonder what Sens could do if Karlsson could be moved but also brought back next summer. Obviously you would need to make Tampa a pretty much cup favorite by a mile to get a solid package back as well. Here's what I'm thinking in mind:

To Tampa
Erik Karlsson
Zack Smith
Johnny Oduya
Goalie for Syracuse

To Ottawa
Ryan Callahan
Braydon Coburn
Nicklas Hjalmarsson
Mikhail Sergachev
Connor Ingram
2019 1st

- AlfieisKing[top 15 protected] OR Cal Foote

To Arizona
Bobby Ryan [6.25m]
2018 1st
++

2018 - 2019 Season

Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Zadina/Tkachuk - Brown - White
-----------------------------------------
Sergachev - Hjalmarsson
Chabot - Ceci

July 2019
Sign Erik Karlsson has UFA - 8 years $ 100m

2019 - 2020 Season
Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Tkachuk - Brown - White
Chaplik - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Shore - xxx

Sergachev - Karlsson
Chabot - Hjalmarsson
Borowiecki - Harpur


Not to mention you have Brassard you could move in a trade.


the (frank).
spazzbot
Location: Maple Zombie
Joined: 02.14.2013

Feb 19 @ 9:46 PM ET
I'm going to throw something out there - wonder what Sens could do if Karlsson could be moved but also brought back next summer. Obviously you would need to make Tampa a pretty much cup favorite by a mile to get a solid package back as well. Here's what I'm thinking in mind:

To Tampa
Erik Karlsson
Zack Smith
Johnny Oduya
Goalie for Syracuse

To Ottawa
Ryan Callahan
Braydon Coburn
Nicklas Hjalmarsson
Mikhail Sergachev
Connor Ingram
2019 1st

- AlfieisKing[top 15 protected] OR Cal Foote

To Arizona
Bobby Ryan [6.25m]
2018 1st
++

2018 - 2019 Season

Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Zadina/Tkachuk - Brown - White
-----------------------------------------
Sergachev - Hjalmarsson
Chabot - Ceci

July 2019
Sign Erik Karlsson has UFA - 8 years $ 100m

2019 - 2020 Season
Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Tkachuk - Brown - White
Chaplik - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Shore - xxx

Sergachev - Karlsson
Chabot - Hjalmarsson
Borowiecki - Harpur


Not to mention you have Brassard you could move in a trade.

Would you rent him to Toronto for their extra 4-6 games for Jvr and their first? as long as he comes back in the summer
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

Feb 20 @ 12:20 AM ET
I'm going to throw something out there - wonder what Sens could do if Karlsson could be moved but also brought back next summer.
- AlfieisKing

Sorry, but if they trade away Karlsson there's pretty much zero chance that he's coming back.

Personally, I think the most likely deal would be something like Brassard to PIT for a 1st Round Pick (2018) and prospect G Filip Gustavsson.

AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Feb 20 @ 2:10 AM ET
Sorry, but if they trade away Karlsson there's pretty much zero chance that he's coming back.

Personally, I think the most likely deal would be something like Brassard to PIT for a 1st Round Pick (2018) and prospect G Filip Gustavsson.

- khawk

Now such a bad deal but I still don't think it happens. Sens need to dump salary, not just sell
Brandon
Ottawa Senators
Location: ON
Joined: 09.29.2005

Feb 20 @ 8:20 AM ET
the old leafs way. i like it.

they didn't have a karlsson but they had jvr rielly kadri who are as good as stone and chabot. trades have some very similiar aspects not sure why its hard to see.

- systemtool


tkecanuck341
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 06.25.2009

Feb 21 @ 12:23 AM ET
I'm going to throw something out there - wonder what Sens could do if Karlsson could be moved but also brought back next summer. Obviously you would need to make Tampa a pretty much cup favorite by a mile to get a solid package back as well. Here's what I'm thinking in mind:

To Tampa
Erik Karlsson
Zack Smith
Johnny Oduya
Goalie for Syracuse

To Ottawa
Ryan Callahan
Braydon Coburn
Nicklas Hjalmarsson
Mikhail Sergachev
Connor Ingram
2019 1st

- AlfieisKing[top 15 protected] OR Cal Foote

To Arizona
Bobby Ryan [6.25m]
2018 1st
++

2018 - 2019 Season

Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Zadina/Tkachuk - Brown - White
-----------------------------------------
Sergachev - Hjalmarsson
Chabot - Ceci

July 2019
Sign Erik Karlsson has UFA - 8 years $ 100m

2019 - 2020 Season
Hoffman - Duchene - Stone
Tkachuk - Brown - White
Chaplik - Pageau - Dzingel
Pyatt - Shore - xxx

Sergachev - Karlsson
Chabot - Hjalmarsson
Borowiecki - Harpur


Not to mention you have Brassard you could move in a trade.


If Ottawa trades Karlsson, they can't sign him to an 8 year deal. Only 7.